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scrap commodities. We need to remind all gov-
ernments that artificial barriers to the free trade
of commodities can, unintentionally and coun-
ter-intuitively, have a detrimental effect on eco-
nomic growth and that efforts to control scrap
prices through export controls or excessive
export duties can actually result in increases in
prices as a result of the economic phenomenon
known as control reversal as raw material sup-
plies are removed from the global marketplace.’
What has been the most fundamental
change to recycling structures over this
15-year period?
‘While scrap recycling has long been a global
industry, the extent of global trade has
increased dramatically over the last 15 years –
both in terms of the volume of scrap traded and
the number of players engaged in internation-
al trade. The result has been that scrap is far less
dependent on local supplies and markets than
ever before, but is much more vulnerable to
world economic conditions. In 2000, the USA
exported less than US$ 5 billion worth of scrap;
in 2012, nearly US$ 30 billion of scrap metal,
plastics, rubber and paper was exported to 160
different countries. It is now typical that
30-40% of all the scrap processed within the
USA will be sold into export markets.
Also affecting the market dynamic over the last
15 years is the extent to which ferrous scrap is
shipped in export containers, growing from less
than 10% to now almost 30% of exports. The
use of containers has opened up export oppor-
tunities to many land-locked suppliers. Small
exporters are able to more easily enter the mar-
ket by packing containers in their yards and
sending them direct, or via brokers, to overseas
consumers, resulting in reduced scrap flows for
dealers located at the docks. Suppliers to tradi-
tional scrap exporters have become competi-
tors, forcing the traditional exporters to reach
further inland to source scrap, in many cases
purchasing feeder yards to secure their supplies,
and thus driving industry consolidation.’
For you, what has been the most inspir-
ing speech of the last decade and a half?
‘One recent speech that inspired me to act was
delivered by Dr Robert D. Ballard – the oceanog-
rapher and explorer who discovered the ship-
wreck of the ‘‘Titanic’’. To his suprise, he found
his discovery inspired huge curiosity excitement
about science among school-age children. He
decided to build on that interest by creating a
non-profit organisation that connects students
with scientists, engineers and researchers to
provide mentored, learning experiences. The
result of his efforts was The Jason Project which
now, more than 20 years later, has become an
organisation dedicated to creating interactive
and engaging student curriculum and teaching
resources. I was hooked by Dr Ballard’s message.
And it just happens that, at the time I heard Dr
Ballard speak, ISRI was looking to create a sec-
ondary school curriculum around recycling. I
was able then to connect ISRI and The Jason
Project.’
How has the general public’s attitude
to recycling changed in the last 15 years?
‘There has certainly been an increased awareness
of recycling. Unfortunately, recycling is largely
still seen through the lens of kerbside recycling.
Glass, newspapers and cardboard recycling are
seen as “good recycling” whereas our industry is
perceived to be part of the problem of materials
theft, despite all the efforts of the industry over
the last several years to be part of the solution to
this problem. This is slowly changing through
the good works of many of our member com-
panies, who are developing relationships with
law enforcement, businesses and other stake-
holders within their local communities. ISRI is
also working on the national level to change
opinions and spread the word about the positive
contributions of the recycling industry from the
protection of the environment and to the impact
on the economy. Educating the public about our
segment and working to improve the image of
the industry must continue to be a priority for
all of us. But we must recognise that it takes a
long-term effort to affect the public’s thinking.’
ISRI has been a big supporter of Design
for Recycling®. To what extent would
you say this concept is now embedded
in the American psyche?
‘ISRI continues to integrate the concept of Design
for Recycling® (DfR) into all of our activities and
all of our messaging but, unfortunately, our
efforts have been met with mixed success. Appli-
ance manufacturers were among those who
quickly responded to ISRI’s call when we first
raised the issue with them more than 15 years
ago; they reduced the number of different plastics
used, eliminated toxics such as cadmium as a
pigment for their paints and quickly supplanted
mercury switches in all applications except a very
few where safety would have been compromised.
Unfortunately, there are still many manufactur-
ers that have failed to integrate DfR in their
design processes. A good example is mercury
convenience light switches in automobiles; auto
manufacturers were made aware in 1992 that
mercury was a toxic material. While a suitable
substitute switch was widely available at that
time, and comparable in performance, auto
manufacturers chose to ignore our entreaties,
resulting a decade later in a very significant
clash between our two industries.
Despite its slow adoption by manufacturers,
ISRI is proud that many other groups have
begun to recognise that DfR is the solution.’
Does legislation elsewhere in the world
drive change within the USA?
‘We see much less influence today than in the
past of US law-makers looking to the EU or
other regions of the world for policy direction.
I would imagine that this is due in large part to
the fact that so many companies operating in
the USA are global players and thus, for the sake
of manufacturing and logistics efficiencies, are
accommodating EU legislation by modifying
their operations and practices globally, thereby
making it unnecessary for the USA to imple-
ment similar requirements.’
Do the USA and other highly-developed
countries have a responsibility to
spread recycling best practice to the
wider world?
‘I believe strongly that we do have a role to play
in promoting safe and environmentally respon-
sible recycling in developing countries and
economies in transition. ISRI has participated
in a number of forums over the years for the
exchange of best management practices and
technology in an effort to provide real oppor-
tunities for improving the health and safety
conditions in developing countries.’
‘Scrap is far less
dependent on local
supplies and markets
than ever before.’
Robin Wiener:
barriers to free trade can
damage growth
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